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July 15, 2006

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Andrew Hyman

I think I've spotted a pretty mythical asserion in the July 14 Chicago Tribune. The Tribune wrote that, "on June 29 the high court, in the case of detainee Salim Ahmed Hamdan, said, in essence, that based on how the term was used elsewhere in the conventions, "international" as used in Common Article 3 means "between nations" and not "global."

Actually, the Court did not mention how the term "international" was used elsewhere in the Treaty. Had it done so, it would have discovered a surprise in Article 35 of the Treaty, which refers to "international religious organizations." Obviously, that use of the word "international" directly contradicts the Court's narrow interpretation of this word.

MD

Is not Hamdan of some Constitutional significance in that it describes the governing relations between the political branches (Congress and the President) during a time of war, admittedly given that those relations have been defined, limited, or influenced in this conflict by particular circumstances and particular statutes?

Is it not constitutionally significant that the Court held that the President's war-making powers may be limited by statute (or Treaty, as those treaties are incorporated into our various statutory schemes), and therefore may be limited, to some extent, by Congressional action?

Because the Court seemed to imply that the Congress could collude with the President to make the President a military dictator -- even to the extent of abrogating such basic norms as CA3 -- it also implies that Congress, as least in some cases and under some circumstances, may act to limit the President in such ambitions. Granted, the decision doesn't say that Congress must so act.

As I understand the Bush administration position, the AUMF granted the Executive a "blank check," unlimited by existing statutory schemes or any future Congressional action or oversight. May we conclude that this argument was rejected?

I suppose the outstanding issue is whether the basic guarantees of the Constitution may constrain both political branches during a time of war. For example, may the President and the Congress collude to extinguish the protections of the Bill of Rights for American citizens during a time of war? But is it not assumed that, in reference to precedents, that they cannot?

Charles Gittings

a) That would be international in the sense of Common Article 2.

b) It's only a Constitutional issue for people who claim the Constitution gives the President the powers of a Hitler or a Caligula, which is idiocy to whatever extent it isn't just vile dishonesty.

Andrew Hyman

Mr. Gittings, as far as I can tell, the Supreme Court in Hamdan did not mention how the word "international" was used in Article 2 of the Geneva Convention. The Court's quotes from Article 2 did not include that word. The distinctive term "international character" was used precidely twice in the Geneva Conventions: in Article 2 and in Article 125. In Article 125, it is stated that religious organizations may have "international character." Article 35 is to the same effect. Check it out.

Andrew Hyman

Correction:

Mr. Gittings, as far as I can tell, the Supreme Court in Hamdan did not mention how the word "international" was used in Article 2 of the Geneva Convention. The Court's quotes from Article 2 did not include that word. The distinctive term "international character" was used precisely twice in the Geneva Conventions: in Article 3 and in Article 125. In Article 125, it is stated that religious organizations may have "international character." Article 35 is to the same effect. Check it out.

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